December 19, 2018, 08:25:04 AM

Author Topic: Downton Abbey  (Read 2355 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

January 08, 2013, 04:58:14 PM

wallace1297

  • *****
  • Posts: 1
Set in England in the years leading up to the First World War and beyond, Downton Abbey tells the story of a complicated community. The house has been home to the Crawley family for many generations, but it is also where their servants live, and plan, and dream, and they are as fiercely jealous of their rank as anyone. Some of them are loyal to the family and committed to Downton as a way of life, others are moving through, on the look out for betterment or love or just adventure. The difference is that they know so many of the secrets of the family, while the family know so few of theirs. But for all the passions that rage beneath the surface, this is a secure world, serene and ordered, and, at first glance, it seems it will last forever. Little do they know, family or staff, that the clouds of the conflict that will change everything are already gathering over their heads.

Anyone else fallen in love with the series yet? Who's your favourite character? Will you be waited upon hand and foot, or will you be the one doing the serving?  ;)



Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious.  ~ Peter Ustinov
Logged
January 09, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
Reply #1

LillianJames

  • *****
  • Posts: 26
I'm so glad  a Downton Abbey thread has been added!  I was considering  suggesting it!  But I hope there will be no spoilers from members who have already seen Season 3!!  (I've already heard a couple things I didn't want to know!)  I love Anna--she is so dignified and is having such a difficult time.
  When I read books/see movies and think how interesting it would be to live in that period, I have to remind myself that I would likely not be the wealthy or romantic character.  I would end up  as a housemaid, or lower.  *sigh*  ::)
Lillian James
Logged
January 10, 2013, 12:06:17 AM
Reply #2

merrythought

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 115
I adored season one; not quite as crazy about season 2, and have only seen 1 episode of season 3 so far.  I will try not to put any spoilers in from that episode!

One of my favorite characters has been Mary.  I like how complex she was at the start of the series, capable of being vindictive and snobbish, but with flashes of compassion and generosity.  I loved in season 1 how she had a quite negative view of herself; she saw no goodness in herself, and I think that caused her pain.  When she did something good or generous, it seemed to be done in spite of herself.  I miss that about her; she's become...not good in the way that Sibyl is good (pure of heart), but less edgy.  She's also lost her anger and frustration at her role in family and society, and I miss that too. 

I love Sibyl too, for her purity of heart and gentle yet independent spirit, and I really hoped she would travel further down the path of women's suffrage or at least personal independence - taking a job, or going to school, rather than marrying.  I enjoy love stories as much as anyone, but I wish Sibyl hadn't been settled down so soon into becoming a wife, because of the three sisters, she symbolized the future and its possibilities.

Of course, I love Grandmamma Violet for her verbal zingers.  But also, she often supports her family in surprising ways...working hard to get Mary her inheritance, and letting Sibyl speak her piece when she announces she's going to marry Tom.  She truly seems to put family first.   

I love a lot of the downstairs folk, too:  Daisy, Mrs. Patmore, Mrs. Hughes, and Mr. Carson in particular.  I'm hoping to like Thomas more - by which I don't mean I hope he turns into a "good guy," but I hope he will become less of a one-dimensional "baddie" who tries to pull dumb tricks on other people and will get some complexity added to his character.

Logged
January 10, 2013, 02:21:33 AM
Reply #3

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
I am so in love with Downton Abbey I could hardly wait until it started again in the USA. I even got the DVD set of the first two seasons! I think the period that this series covers is so interesting and the experience that the English nobility go through is, on many levels, quite different than that of the American experience of that  period. I have really enjoyed how they have brought in the historical aspects of what was happening in the world such as the sinking of the Titanic, The Great War, the Spanish flu, women's suffrage and the post war depression. It's highly entertaining as well as adding to my understanding of the effects of these events on everyday British life.

I, too, think Mary is one of the best characters. I would just say to merrythought to not be so quick to think that Mary's complexity isn't still there - I think she is going to be sorely tested this season - By what I hear of the possible ways the series could go. I was happy that she and Mathew have wed, but now we will see what will happen!

Of the Downstairs crew, I think the kitchen maid Daisy is most interesting, but Mr. Bates is, I guess, my favorite. Such a complex man. I wonder if or how he will get out of the jam he is in?

Oh and I have to say the verbal duel between Maggie Smith as Grandmama Violet and Shirley MacLaine as Martha Levinson in the first episode of the third season was priceless! Loved it! Just hope that MacLaine is featured more in the series.
Logged
January 10, 2013, 05:24:07 AM
Reply #4

LillianJames

  • *****
  • Posts: 26
Agreed, HealerOne,  I, too, loved the interaction between Maggie Smith and Shirley McClain's characters.  I thought the Season 3 opener was one of the best.  Maybe it's because I was anxiously awaiting it! ;)  If anyone saw the 1 hour special about Highclere (on our PBS it aired just before the opener), --I loved the real historical background of "Downton".  I think Julian Fellowes is doing an excellent job portraying the changes in society and class during this period.
Lillian James
Logged
January 30, 2013, 06:56:08 AM
Reply #5

varza

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 202
    • Varzaland
OMG! Did anyone watch this past Sunday? I finally got to watch it last night and I was completely broken by the end.
I am everywhere....
Logged
January 30, 2013, 08:58:01 PM
Reply #6

JaneMarple9

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 439
I'm a big fan of Downton - and, I promise, no spoilers, seeming I live in England :) It is a great series. I'm a massive fan of the Dowager, Maggie Smith has so many classic lines. I really like all the "downstairs" staff too. Looking forward to the new series, whenever it comes :)

"There's nothing better than a good friend, except a good friend with a really big library"
Logged
February 01, 2013, 03:27:44 AM
Reply #7

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
I am a big Downtown Abbey fan too. I was not prepared for the episode seen in the US this last weekend. It was pretty shocking. As I understand this is not the only shock we Downton Abbey folks in the US are going to have over the series. Just a question - anyone cheat here in the US and order the 3rd season DVD to see what is to happen before anyone else? So far I have only been tempted and haven't done it, but I think I just may have to have that DVD ... eventually.

 I think the series is so popular because it is so like a soap opera! So much fun following the many stories of both the 'upstairs and downstairs' characters. The addition of Shirley MacLaine to spar with Maggie Smith was brilliant. Loved those moments. I hope she will continue to be part of the show.
Logged
February 02, 2013, 06:07:01 AM
Reply #8

Hermione P

  • *****
  • Posts: 208
    • My Tumblr page
I don't follow Downton Abbey, but it was aired on one of our free-to-air English channels last year on Sunday nights. Season 3 can currently be viewed via cable channel Diva Universal, just one day behind the US.

I came in here to share links to Facebook recaps for Season 3:
Episode 1: http://www.happyplace.com/20382/dowton-abbey-facebook-recap
Episode 2: http://www.happyplace.com/20538/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-2
Episode 3: http://www.happyplace.com/20707/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-3
Episode 4: http://www.happyplace.com/20883/downton-abbey-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-4
Logged
February 08, 2013, 02:38:52 PM
Reply #9

Misssyblantsybil

  • *****
  • Posts: 42
I had a lovely surprise last week when the entire 3rd season showed up in my iTunes account! I bought the season pass, so expected one episode per week for the duration. But, I heard the DVD of season 3 is on sale now, so I guess that is why season pass holders got the whole rest of the season in one dump.

Which meant I had to watch the whole rest of the season in one dump.  Now awaiting season 4 . . .
Logged
July 29, 2013, 04:56:59 PM
Reply #10

pleshette

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 36
After hearing so many positive things about the show from friends, and learning that it's DowntON Abbey and not DowntOWn Abbey (which is what I thought it was called originally  ::)), I decided to borrow the past three seasons from the library to catch up. My 16-year-old daughter and I were hooked right from the beginning and have been watching all summer. We quickly developed favorite characters: hers are Sybil, Mary and Matthew. Mine are Anna, Mary, Matthew, Mrs. Hughes, Mr. Carson...well, I love them all, LOL, except for maybe Miss O'Brien  ;)

Anyway, we finished the last episode of Season 3 last night and we're heartbroken. She's ready to quit watching and I'm just numb. We  have a few months to recover and I'm sure I'll be able to convince her to watch again with me. Plus, one of the fun parts about waiting for a new season...like waiting for a new HP book...THE SPECULATING!!  :)

« Last Edit: July 29, 2013, 04:59:59 PM by pleshette »
Logged
July 29, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
Reply #11

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
Giggle! I had to laugh as when I was first introduced to Downton Abbey I thought it was Downtown too! That's sort of like Wimbledon and Wimbleton! (I can't tell you how many times I've had to tell even Tennis Fans the correct pronunciation!) Anyway, the hype for Season 4 has already begun! Check out the pictures! Here.
Logged
December 17, 2013, 04:14:26 AM
Reply #12

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
Season 4 of Downton Abbey approaches for the USA (Jan 5th). I am sitting on pins and needles waiting for the season to start again! Those of you in the UK that have been enjoying the series - Do you think it continues to hold your interest? Are the twists and turns of the plot just as interesting as in the past seasons? Please no spoilers (!) but I would love to know - in general terms - what you think of how season four is going?
Logged
January 27, 2015, 04:17:09 PM
Reply #13

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
I am surprised no one has posted in this thread for a long time! Downton Abbey has restarted here in the USA and I am again enjoying watching all that happens in the new season. Interesting things are happening with all the characters. I can't decided which character line is the most interesting: Mary's?; Daisy's: Mr. Bates and Anna? (So many interesting ways that could go, don't you think?); and then there is poor Edith! I find her storyline very compelling and I can't wait to see how it all plays out. So which character are you the most interested in? Which storyline do you find the most fascinating or resonates with you the most?
Logged
February 04, 2015, 05:39:30 AM
Reply #14

Laura W

  • *****
  • Posts: 49
I have hesitated to post here because I know what I have to say will make me seem like a TERRIBLE person (just as my lack of sympathy for Snape on another forum resulted in people posting or at least inferring that I was some kind of cold-hearted  inhuman whatever (sigh)).  Oh well.  Here goes ...

I'm afraid I do not see Edith as you do.  Yes, I can really appreciate the pain she had to go through in giving up her child.  Many, many women who give up their babies for adoption feel that.  And it is terrible!  Thus it would be for Edith.  However ... the one I really feel sorry for is that woman - I forget her name - who took the little girl into her family to raise and love and care for.  A stranger who she (ie - that woman) treats as well as her own children (opposite of Petunia, if I may interject another HP reference).  And she has to put up with this interfering neighbour - Edith - mixing in and showing up all the time, etc.  What a nuicense (sp?)!  How sad that Edith had to give her child up for adoption, but this little girl belongs to a new family now.  One which loves her and which she can love.  Like all fortunate adopted children -- as opposed to those adopted children who go to bad/abusive homes.

Let's just say that if I had become an adoptive mom and some other woman -- the bio mother or whoever - was continuously sticking her nose in my family (especially favouring the adopted child over my other children), I would forbid her from coming around too.

Laura 
Logged
February 04, 2015, 05:56:45 PM
Reply #15

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
Laura W, I am abashed   :-[ that I did not consider the farmer's wife nor even the lady in Switzerland who first was given the baby, in my comments. The whole business is a mess - of Edith's making, for sure. I guess I feel for Edith because of the terrible societal pressures on her and the lack of choices she has. Now she is at risk of either revealing her secret - still not a great result as the adoptive mother will still be resentful - or resigning herself to stepping out of her daughter's life. It is one of those terrible situations where no one is a winner - including the child. I do respect Edith for at least not going through with an abortion which would have been the easiest way out for a society lady who could pay for such a thing. (Of course you could do a whole discussion on why she felt it necessary to have the child. She wanted something of her lover who was missing? She had grievous doubts as to the morality of abortion? She was jealous of her sister and brother-in-laws babies? She thought it her only chance to have a child who would love her? She was afraid she would die in the abortion process? etc.)

I thought your reference to Petunia was very true to the situation. At least the farmer's wife (Mrs. Drewe) is loving, caring and eager to treat little Marigold as her own daughter.  With Edith's interference and singling out of Marigold from the other Drewe children, it is almost like Aunt Marge in reverse! You could see how they would resent Marigold for this. It may be that Mrs. Drewe sees this happening and wants to stop it before it gets out of hand. This making of Marigold 'special'  may indeed make Marigold's life just as miserable as Harry's was ... Like I said, "What a mess!" Where's Hagrid when you need him to rescue little Marigold?

I think the  writers are very adept at presenting these types of conundrums to make the story lines in Downton to be true to life, showing that the life of the Upstairs occupants were just as complicated as the lives of the Downstairs ones! It is just such difficult situations that make us want to go back week after week and find out what is happening at Downton!
Logged
February 05, 2015, 04:36:54 AM
Reply #16

Laura W

  • *****
  • Posts: 49
I do not think that Marigold needs a Hagrid to save her.  The Drewe family is her Hagrid.  They have saved her from ending up in an orphanage - where Edith might have had to put her except for the good and generous farm family who adopted (as I see it) Edith's baby.  Edith should be eternally grateful to Mr. and Mrs. Drewe and all Marigold's new "siblings".  Instead of causing them more aggrevation and division in the marriage.

(Oh dear.  Do I sound terrible?)

The problem of course is that they all live so close.  It is too easy for Edith to drop in. 

Of course, in those days for a member of the upper class to have a child out of wedlock would be considered shameful.  If Edith had really wanted to keep and raise her daughter, she should have done so.  Even if her family had disowned her.  She could earn money for the two of them to live on.  I believe that she was a journalist.  It would not have been pleasant for her, but it would have been more honest than having the little girl be adopted by another family and not really letting that family have her.

As I see it.

Laura


PS - I don't actually remember the people in Switzerland.  Obviously you follow the series a lot more closely than I.  (grin)
Logged
February 05, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Reply #17

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
PS - I don't actually remember the people in Switzerland.  Obviously you follow the series a lot more closely than I.  (grin)

:lol: You are right! I am an avid fan! I admit it!  :-[ 

Laura, do you have a character or a storyline within Downton Abbey that especially speaks to you? Any one else see similarities with the Harry Potter series?
Logged
February 05, 2015, 06:31:43 AM
Reply #18

Laura W

  • *****
  • Posts: 49
Well, as we both agree, I am far less a fan/follower of this series than you are.  And than many people are.  I watch it, but not every single episode.  It is one of my least favourite of the wonderful Masterpiece series on PBS.  The first few seasons I only watched it occasionally, but am starting to like it better this season (for some reason). 

I really, really liked when Sybil went off to marry Tom.  She cared very much for her family but knew that she needed to marry the man she loved deeply, no matter the consequences.  If she be disowned and lived very simply with him in Ireland, so be it.  I thought that took a lot of courage and I really admired her for it.

And I always kind of cheer when any of the downstairs characters leave the house for other jobs in order to better themselves.  That also took a lot of courage in those days, I gather.

My favourite couple in the whole series is Anna and whats-his-name.  They are just so right for each other.  And equal partners.  As a matter of fact, I would say that my favourite character in the whole series is Anna.  (I'm sure I'm not alone in that.)
 
Maggie Smith is, of course, a hoot!  They give her some of the best lines.  (hee, hee)

Laura
Logged
February 05, 2015, 04:02:48 PM
Reply #19

HealerOne

  • Staffer
  • *****
  • Posts: 914
    • Chasing the Tale
Laura, I am so glad you have started to like the series more. It does tend to hook you in! Part of which may be that the series is evolving forward to the very transitional time when the British aristocracy was facing all sorts of changes. As viewers, we are having a look in on how one of those families changed with the times. So many interesting plot lines to explore! The changing role of women. The blending of Old World money with New World money. The lead up to the second World War. The downsizing of the servants roles and the many more opportunities available to the lower classes. The clashes of political mind sets such as the socialists, the Labour Party  and the rise of Nazism. Of course abortion and the plight or unwed mothers and their off spring (not only Lady Edith but earlier in the series the housemaid who became pregnant by a titled guest of the family.) Infidelity and the role of birth control in all that. I, for one, am intrigued by all these different aspects of the series.

I adore Maggie Smith in her role as the matriarch of the family. I have come to recognize her as sort of a vitriolic agent in the story! She tends to 'stir the pot' a lot! I agree that she has the very best of lines - and she delivers them with great wit and wisdom!

I must say that before the plot line about Edith was in fully developed, that Anna and Bates were my favorite too. One has to feel quite sorry for Anna and all she has endured. Bates, however is a different color horse! Either he is a very good liar and underneath has the heart of a killer, or he has the worst luck to be at the wrong place at the wrong time for many despicable acts. I fear for Anna - that she is being led down a path to her own destruction - but of course that is what the writers want us to think! Hopefully there will be a great twist to the plot and all will be well.

Oh my! It looks as though I could comment a lot on this series! Time for someone else to give it a go!
« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 04:05:22 PM by HealerOne »
Logged